
Having already decided that DC's contacts are bogus, or not necessarily bogus, just not who they say they are, I re-read this book after reading it several years ago - which is as far as I got in the series at that time because it gets rather fanciful and somewhat dull. I do have the rest of the series and will plow through them (along with Wyllie's books) in the interest of skience. With the idea of catching these contacts when they slip up and reveal something unintended. Maybe to get a clue as to who they really are & what they're really up to. I suspect the butterfly but it's probably more sinister than that.
Note on the notes: some of these tags are from the first time through, which I then added notes to. Some of the old tags I took out because I wasn't sure what was supposed to be highlighted. Onwards...
p55 - old temple under the Sphinx
She should have been able to identify the specific area where this temple was (the client's "past life" that is); remember a specific day when she entered the temple - DC should have axed her. If it ever really existed - probably not - fantasy. It's under the Sphinx naturally, where the validity of its existence can never be ascertained (hey there's some big words - how's that for vocabulary!). All these psychic-type peeps still searching for Edgar Cayce's Hall of Records. It must be there, we just haven't found it yet. Uh-huh.
p64 - Sphinxes (Sphinxii?) outside the Scottish Rite Temple in Kansas City, with women's heads instead of men's. Photos. Why are they there? Anyhow the subject described these before DC had ever heard of them. Afterwards DC was driving through town & got lost & drove past them. Subject might have been getting a "preview" from DC's mind; a precog. So the client makes up a story about her past life being so important these sphinxii were made to honor her. If it helps with their therapy I guess it's ok... Makes them feel better about themselves...
Sculptor of the sphinxii was Jorgen C Dreyer. DC didn't have much luck in investigating them but maybe worth looking into with all of our additional online sources nowadays (although one must use discretion and sift through the mountains of disinformation).
p66 - this past life as an alien came from Sirius - they all have past lives as aliens and are reincarnating here now to rescue us and help us ascend to the New Earth. Yeah right. Anyhow maybe this client had read Robert Temple's The Sirius Mystery, and/or was aware of the Dogon beliefs in the aquaman peeps from Sirius. So she makes up a past life about it. Or... pulls down the info from somewhere or other - collective knowledge we have access to in the subconscious? Dolores's mind? Who knows. Sounds too fanciful to be realistic, like a lot of this stuff, so in the future will try to abstain from repeating myself over and over by questioning the "validity" of all this.
p68 - Sirius beings had to lower their frequency to align with earth frequency cuz we're so dense. Here we go again. Raise our vibrational frequency - sheesus. They all say this. (It's a trap!) Give us some numbers huh? We've mapped out the frequency spectrum, what rate are we supposed to "raise our vibration" to? UV? Gamma? Sideways?
Lords of the Word of the Cosmos, a "Council." So many councils out there in space. Do they all consult each other? Agree on everything? Any disputes on management of poor old Earth?
p71 - temples to raise frequency - raise energy - that's what they were for. But would this have been permanent, or only temporary while one was in the temple? Temples to keep the peeps stupefied maybe. Stupefied or enlightened? Good question. Pyramids do give off energy though, it's been proven. Like that guy in the 80's who was selling pyramids that sharpened razor blades. True story, honest! There's a book called Pyramid Power. Forget the author, deserves a re-read.
Pyramids are more than 12000 years old. Around end of ice age time. I wrote the figure 36000 on my note, not sure why - don't find it on the page. So 36000 BC is when Atlantis was supposed to have sunk? 12000 makes more sense.
Client says those big stones were done with light energy. Now we know about the Leedskalnin Effect regarding magnetic anomalies. Is this control hiding that? Or if it doesn't know about using magnetism, it should know. Therefore it's not "valid" to use DC's word. If the hypnopeep had known of Poole's research, this control may have said something along those lines. The fact that it didn't, speaks volumes.
p72 - there are many tunnels under the main pyramid leading to far off places, to the center of the earth and other races living there - Agartha! Another New Age sacrament. Or maybe this hypnopeep had read Radu Cinamar's books about tunnels between the sphinx and the "sphinx" (natural rock formation) in Transylvania(? or wherever it is). Transylvania Sunrise etc...
Wait... Aha! Dick Shaver's Deros!!!! (Dick Shaver hahaha sounds like a new type of appliance for the eh... private parts.)
p78 - all of these people were someone important in a past life. Yeah right. DC elsewhere passes it off as "imprints." Got it.
p99 - frequency barrier - it's lessening now- frequency changes leading to the creation of the New Earth.
The schuman resonance is 7.83 hz and it is not changing at all. There are spikes here and there, and in checking the data on the website it shows that there seem to be more frequent & higher spikes lately, so if you take an average of all that data the average is going up a bit, and that's what some peeps will use to say the schuman resonance is increasing. But the baseline is the same as its always been! The spikes come from lightning and things like that. Overall there is no change at all.
I speculate earlier that a change in the schuman resonance would spell disaster for our individuality (benevolent control favored by Tim Wyllie - yikes!)
"You can't necessarily see it on your earth instruments." Yes we can! Why are you promoting this frequency change? Advocating it? Hmm? It's a trap I tells ya.
There is also the possibility espoused by other writers of cracks in the wall that protects us from invasion by the hordes of demons, as mentioned in Revelation etc. Also in the John Dee material and analyses like Tyson's Enochian Apocalypse. The Four Watchtowers etc. See Rene Guenon, Leo Lyon Zagami, and others, also Jocelyn Godwin's Atlantis and The Cycles of Time, the latter talking about the Kali Yuga and how we're in it right now, which coincides roughly with the 2012 stuff. 3 dates for the end of the Kali Yuga: 2030, 2160 or 2450. Perhaps this hypnopeep was vaguely alluding to this while using the term "frequency barrier" since "frequency" seems to be the buzzword amongst the hip these days. -Edit: Or see the Wilmshurst introduction to the Atwood book that says the human form itself protects us from these hordes. Unless we let them in ourselves...
p104 - presence of energies - using them - alter them to bring something into physical form - SQK - maybe it's possible to influence this spontaneous formation of matter - maybe that's the secret - why the ancients encoded this physics into all of their myths - if LaV is right (and he's very thorough in his presentation of his supporting evidence).
p126 - note is blank. Something about crystal machines. And using light through the crystals to heal. This is not necessarily invalid. Peeps successfully use light and sound in healing techniques. Pythagoras supposedly used light and sound along with numbers. Correlated them all. Much of his teaching is lost and/or deliberately destroyed. Getting to that chapter in my other book, will report back.
p134 - past life tells of priests trying to stave off some huge disaster. CME or superwave?
p146 - "Translating through mind of now." Electromagnetic vehicles, electromagnetic pulse. A mistake? Giving something away? Seems like the control here is getting caught letting something leak that it's not supposed to. Electromagnetism is the key to a lot of things. That's how the man-made ufos operate maybe (although Lyne thinks differently).
p152 - again with the Klingons - I mean the frequency shift. What frequency? What are the numbers? This control makes the "shift" sound like a natural disaster, like a CME or superwave.
p161 - "Last time, was it caused by man? No, it's a natural cycle." Exactly. Superwave or CME. Possibly galactic core explosions that occur regularly every 13000 years; possibly link to precessional cycle. Or the Hindu cycle with the four yugas, the last being the Kali Yuga which by consensus opinion of most researchers into the subject, we are in right now. The Yugas do line up with the precession timeline apparently.
p190 - "We must experience life in all its forms before we enter the human stage." Well maybe, there's 2 schools of thought on the subject... Or more...
Skeptics (like Keel) say subject (of regressive hypnosis) will fantasize a scene just to please the hypnotist. Her clients know what DC is all about, that's why they're seeing her. Maybe they're bringing out what she herself believes, drawing it out of her subconscious thoughts. Nothing wrong with that, just a commentary on how we don't know how the human mind operates, this could be ESP, subconscious communication. Remote viewing of someone's mind. Remote viewing... there's a subject worth some consideration as to its validity... see upcoming Jim Marrs' Alien Agenda entry. I'm pretty sure my notes will have something to say about that.
p205 - "When we come to earth we take on a physical form like every other being here on earth does." Wrong! Mistake! There are unseen living energies/thingies/dealies all around us. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there! Hundreds if not thousands of witnesses to this phenomenon.
Nope! There are weird anomalous living things all around us. See Keel et al. This client is a NASA guy so probably someone who believes wholeheartedly in the ET hypothesis, an atheist/materialist I spose. If he's saying there are no non-physical beings... then what are all of DC's controls? Proves this whole thing is bogus? Definitely casts doubt on the whole scenario. Or it may be a semantics issue, where this ICHC is trying to fit a concept into a limited vocabulary. Like me trying to write a blog and make myself understood with my limited vocabulary.
p243 - molecular structure - positive and negative - sounds like yin/yang or SQK - more proof of?
p245 - supposedly alien takes over speaking through client. "We relevance your information" etc.
p248 - "interfere with the current work" - the alien speaking. Yeah the current work of leading us all out of the schuman resonance and into slavery.
p255 - entity is affecting the tape - electromagnetic interference - one of Keel's ultra-terrestrials - not an alien at all. Tape was probably affected because it was saying something it wasn't supposed to and since these are beings composed of energy they have the capability of doing things like this.
p257 - entity says our DNA is being affected - ok how? No specifics given, no DNA researchers have seen evidence of this. Other than we're altering our own DNA anyways with GMO's, vaccines etc etc. No aliens needed.
And again - raising our frequencies how? From what to what? Never an explanation given *sigh*
p267 - "color comes before sound - color resonances sound - that resonates energy - that generates thought format frequency." Okay Mr Chairman of the ICHC, we know what the thought frequency is: 7.83hz and thereabouts. What exactly are you implying here? This doesn't actually sound unreasonable. Pythagoras was into sound and color connected to numbers. However I have also read that sound trumps (haha) color because we can hear many octaves of sound but see only one octave of color. (Some psychics can supposedly see into a higher octave of color above the rainbow - I believe I touch on this in a future post). Also - in the beginning was the word; ie the sound (wonder if it's a mis-translation, deliberate or otherwise). That sound being "Aum." No I didn't misspell it, look it up.
p104 - presence of energies - using them - alter them to bring something into physical form - SQK - maybe it's possible to influence this spontaneous formation of matter - maybe that's the secret - why the ancients encoded this physics into all of their myths - if LaV is right (and he's very thorough in his presentation of his supporting evidence).
p126 - note is blank. Something about crystal machines. And using light through the crystals to heal. This is not necessarily invalid. Peeps successfully use light and sound in healing techniques. Pythagoras supposedly used light and sound along with numbers. Correlated them all. Much of his teaching is lost and/or deliberately destroyed. Getting to that chapter in my other book, will report back.
p134 - past life tells of priests trying to stave off some huge disaster. CME or superwave?
p146 - "Translating through mind of now." Electromagnetic vehicles, electromagnetic pulse. A mistake? Giving something away? Seems like the control here is getting caught letting something leak that it's not supposed to. Electromagnetism is the key to a lot of things. That's how the man-made ufos operate maybe (although Lyne thinks differently).
p152 - again with the Klingons - I mean the frequency shift. What frequency? What are the numbers? This control makes the "shift" sound like a natural disaster, like a CME or superwave.
p161 - "Last time, was it caused by man? No, it's a natural cycle." Exactly. Superwave or CME. Possibly galactic core explosions that occur regularly every 13000 years; possibly link to precessional cycle. Or the Hindu cycle with the four yugas, the last being the Kali Yuga which by consensus opinion of most researchers into the subject, we are in right now. The Yugas do line up with the precession timeline apparently.
p190 - "We must experience life in all its forms before we enter the human stage." Well maybe, there's 2 schools of thought on the subject... Or more...
Skeptics (like Keel) say subject (of regressive hypnosis) will fantasize a scene just to please the hypnotist. Her clients know what DC is all about, that's why they're seeing her. Maybe they're bringing out what she herself believes, drawing it out of her subconscious thoughts. Nothing wrong with that, just a commentary on how we don't know how the human mind operates, this could be ESP, subconscious communication. Remote viewing of someone's mind. Remote viewing... there's a subject worth some consideration as to its validity... see upcoming Jim Marrs' Alien Agenda entry. I'm pretty sure my notes will have something to say about that.
p205 - "When we come to earth we take on a physical form like every other being here on earth does." Wrong! Mistake! There are unseen living energies/thingies/dealies all around us. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there! Hundreds if not thousands of witnesses to this phenomenon.
Nope! There are weird anomalous living things all around us. See Keel et al. This client is a NASA guy so probably someone who believes wholeheartedly in the ET hypothesis, an atheist/materialist I spose. If he's saying there are no non-physical beings... then what are all of DC's controls? Proves this whole thing is bogus? Definitely casts doubt on the whole scenario. Or it may be a semantics issue, where this ICHC is trying to fit a concept into a limited vocabulary. Like me trying to write a blog and make myself understood with my limited vocabulary.
p243 - molecular structure - positive and negative - sounds like yin/yang or SQK - more proof of?
p245 - supposedly alien takes over speaking through client. "We relevance your information" etc.
p248 - "interfere with the current work" - the alien speaking. Yeah the current work of leading us all out of the schuman resonance and into slavery.
p255 - entity is affecting the tape - electromagnetic interference - one of Keel's ultra-terrestrials - not an alien at all. Tape was probably affected because it was saying something it wasn't supposed to and since these are beings composed of energy they have the capability of doing things like this.
p257 - entity says our DNA is being affected - ok how? No specifics given, no DNA researchers have seen evidence of this. Other than we're altering our own DNA anyways with GMO's, vaccines etc etc. No aliens needed.
And again - raising our frequencies how? From what to what? Never an explanation given *sigh*
p267 - "color comes before sound - color resonances sound - that resonates energy - that generates thought format frequency." Okay Mr Chairman of the ICHC, we know what the thought frequency is: 7.83hz and thereabouts. What exactly are you implying here? This doesn't actually sound unreasonable. Pythagoras was into sound and color connected to numbers. However I have also read that sound trumps (haha) color because we can hear many octaves of sound but see only one octave of color. (Some psychics can supposedly see into a higher octave of color above the rainbow - I believe I touch on this in a future post). Also - in the beginning was the word; ie the sound (wonder if it's a mis-translation, deliberate or otherwise). That sound being "Aum." No I didn't misspell it, look it up.
p269 - Mr. Control says that some new humans cannot be "read" on a psychic level, on a dowsing level, on any level. "Because we well know on this planet that once you can be read you can be tuned into and interfered with. That level frequency has been removed. He cannot be read." Serious stuff here I think. This Control is doing the exact thing he's talking about, tuning into and interfering. But of course he's probably one of the "benevolent" ones. Since I have no psychic abilities or experiences that I know of, I wonder if I'm one of the ones who can't be "read." Dunno. Good or bad, dunno...
Hmm. In the Get Smart tv series CONTROL was the acronym of the good guys. And that's what we call all these entities taking over humans who are surrendering themselves to "temporary possession" or whatever you'd call it, under the guise of hypnosis. Methinks this stuff can be very dangerous... These Controls from the ICHC are probably not good guys. You know, let yourself be controlled, it's ok, that's what Get Smart was trying to tell us years ago. If you're not controlled it's Chaos (the bad guys on that show - KAOS or however they spelled it). Maxwell Smart was trying to brainwash us.
p282 - this guy says he's a reptilian - he shape-shifted into a human body because the vibrations are too dense - born into human - father was also reptilian - he was asked to come here to enlighten, to let us know that the few are controlling the many. Like who, Mr. Reptilian? Your buddies? Was this guy supposed to reveal he was a reptilian? Did he goof?
p345 - this client goes into a life where she's guarding against machines that are killing people I think? Automated. Sounds like PKD's Autofac; perhaps she picked the story up from his story.
p390 - God developed this system because he cannot learn on his own. Say what? We're gathering data for God? He would already know, would He not? If He is indeed there, which seems likely; evolution being a crock - intelligent design becoming more & more apparent with many biological systems now believed to be too complex to have evolved on their own - such as the eye - not to mention huge gaps in the "evolutionary record" like flowering plants appearing all of a sudden; Leakey says there are 100 such missing links - also not to mention bones of Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons and Homo Sapiens all being found together - they co-existed; put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Darwin, instead of that other stuff you must have been smoking.
p421 - time portals are at intersections of ley lines. Ley lines have been mapped, let's go find one. Unless... circumstances have to be just right - like during an eclipse or syzygy when the loophole in physics occurs? Wowsers...
p427 - discusses the Philadelphia Experiment. Will compare to Carlos Allende's statements in the annotated Case for the UFO when I get to that, plus the Barker book. Should get the Moore/Berlitz book as well.
p433 - portal in Australian outback, strange light explosion in nearby waterfall, warning voices. Light bodies coming to earth. Hmm... I wonder where this is, worth investigating. If actually true...
The Keys of Enoch by J. J. Hurtak - hard to find a copy of this one, maybe worth looking into.
p448 - hollow sun, with people living inside. It's only hot on the outside surface. Different vibration rate, I suppose.
Big Bang Theory - this member of the ICHC says that's when the laws of the universe were set, eventually positives will become negatives & universe will collapse into the void again. Nah I don't buy it. All matter decays and disappears but new matter replaces it, as in SQK. I don't buy the BB Theory. It would have been nice if Dolores had been more versed in some of these subjects, but she seemed like she would have been so busy with her work & family she never would have had the time, so no criticism here. Lost opportunity though. Or maybe she's leading them on, to get them to keep talking, & deliberately not trying to be too pushy so she won't scare them off. Which is why her books are transcripts of the actual sessions in "their" own words. So we can read through them & find the important passages where they let something slip or give something away. Maybe...
p465 - imprints again - we can scan anyone's past life & remember it as our own - how convenient. A cover story by "them" to splain how they "know" so much about the past; when in fact it may all be (mostly) bs.
p468 - in 22 years we will have started the DNA change & the transformation - when physical body is no longer needed - that would be 2023. Four years away now. Hmm, again sort of like Nibiru passing by in 2017, right? The problem is, some of these predictions by these entities are correct while many are dead wrong. Dead, get it? Heh heh. As in, I talk to dead people. I forget what movie that is...
p482 - "It's the One. The One. Where all is all."
We are one, of course. They've been saying this since the 50's-60's. Here we are 70 years later!!! My note says "not very convincing." More sinister than that.
p520 - the concept of repaying karma from past lives & getting stuck here on earth in endless reincarnations because of that. This particular subconscious (this client) doesn't understand it - possibly correctly because maybe there isn't any - no past lives either - karma is instant, as the song says, to be repaid in this life - if there really are past lives and it isn't just a fantasy to shift the blame & avoid personal responsibility for our own actions earlier in this life. See Susan B Martinez & Delusions in Science and Spirituality - although she bases everything on the Oahspe book, more channeled junk, hmm....
Shouldn't all of these Controls and their transmissions agree with each other? The ICHC is in chaos! Hmm CONTROL vs KAOS, maybe Get Smart writers knew more than they were letting on... Mel Brooks & Buck Henry... The pilot is hilarious... I demand the cone of silence! Maybe I should use the cone of silence on this blog... It will get tedious because I'll repeat myself often - I'll try not to but I'm not a youngster any more. Trying to keep this old brain working...
p568 - raise frequency - *sigh* - broken record - c'mon, Dolores, ask them! Which frequency? Control says "Let's get off of this" when she starts asking it good questions. Before you give something away eh?
p570 - the reason for the loss of memories from past lives or from Universal Mindless: "It squeezes the head." Coming out of the birth canal - stops the memories. Ok, what about Caesarian sections then hmm? "The baby doesn't go through the birth canal." Hmm? Why don't us C section peeps have all our stored past life memories either then, hmm?????!!!! I'm a C section. I don't remember any past life junk! Bogus!
p576 - "It's like your TV. People get glued to that TV. It's like that addiction. It's similar to hypnotherapy. People are under hypnosis and it's time for them to come out." Yes exactly! Just like you're doing, Mr. ICHC! But she would have you raise your vibration...
"It's like a dome, a frequency. It's like the veil is a frequency. There's that frequency that's like a veil around this dimension." Yes there is and it's called the schuman resonance. Our astronauts need the schuman resonance broadcast to them in space or they have problems. To discard this frequency, "raise our vibration" out of it will make us unstable and susceptible to control. And not just under hypnosis. Thanks for giving away the plan to entrap us all. But that's okay, just ask Tim Wyllie.
p578 - this control talks about entering a person's body - possession - says the person's subconscious has agreed to it so it's ok - yeah right. Convenient. Would this be equivalent to PKD and Thomas? Could this be helpful in some instances? Thomas seemed to be helpful to PKD although did not prevent his stroke at age 52. PKD had to go because he was on the verge of figuring it all out I guess... But saying possession is ok... I don't agree, under any circumstance.
p587 - numbers can transport this guy (reliving past life as alien or energy being) in his saucer. Says number is 6244. Back to his home planet, where he belongs. Spaceship transport system. Warp drive.
p613 - subject talks about third eye, frontal lobe - forehead - an element - in this element we secrete a fluid, it will energize the body so we can tap into the Source.
She must be talking about the Pineal (wow this word isn't even in Google's dictionary, I had to add it - talk about a cover-up) gland. The pineal gland produces serotonin (melotonin) I think, which helps regulate our bodies, tells us when to sleep. Pineal gland is important. Modern studies say it is no longer used, dormant. In David Wilcock's Source Field book (a good compendium of information compiled from the internet - not original thinking by him, just good investigative work - his next 2 books aren't very good, I read very little of them & trashed them - he's another one of these Ascension guys leading us down the shithole), he mentions how fluoride solidifies in the body when we ingest it. Where it collects is primarily in the (you guessed it) pineal gland, where it calcifies it. If our pineal gland actually does still function behind the scenes on an intuitive level, then we are killing it by drinking tap water with all the fluoride (or ingesting it in all our produce which is watered with tap water containing fluoride)! Fluoride is rat poison, a byproduct of some process used in China. We buy it from them. Hitler put fluoride in the water in the concentration camps to keep the prisoners docile. Thus the reason for putting fluoride in all our water supplies. If you're a conspiracy theorist. It isn't about cavities and hasn't reduced cavities at all. Vitamin k2 will supposedly help un-crystallize your pineal gland, take it. Don't drink tap water! Don't even rinse your mouth with it! Don't use fluoride toothpaste. Use Toms or generics with no fluoride.
I got in an argument with my Dad way back when I was in high school (50 years ago, huh), asking why we're putting this in our tap water and forcing everyone to ingest it whether they wanted to or not (this was 1970 when I wasn't even aware of any possible effects). Which is exactly what my Dad said, it's proven to be safe and not bad for us so what is the harm? Well come to find out it may possibly be very harmful. So I was right for the wrong reason, other than being forced to do something by the powers that be and being told it was ok. I wonder what Pops would have said if presented with this info Wilcock dug up?
p622 - the schuman resonance is rising. It's now 12 cycles per second. That's why time is speeding up. One of the indications that frequency/vibration is changing is the speeding up/ shortening of time.
I say bullshit! The schuman resonance isn't changing at all!!! It is not changing! Look at the website that presents the data graph from the satellite that is tracking it!!!! Just more frequent spikes which are related to lightning strikes and such. The background resonance is the same as its always been!
"Starting in 2003 there's going to be an influx of energy that will really propel the earth." Okily dokily do, where is it?
p628 - The Shift. Yes. The New Earth.
Destruction? Will the earth change somehow alter the schuman resonance, bring it to 8hz or wherever so humans will be more psychic & no longer be able to be more devious with each other? That's what I'd like to think but I don't think that's it.
Other people who don't make the shift will be gone, on the old earth. Hmm. And those who do make the shift will be controlled. Benevolently. Uh huh.
p631 - oh sheezus, here we go - the alignment of the planet is going to be corrected in 2006 so we don't blow ourselves up (this was written in 2002). "It's going to get out of its orbit and that's going to affect the rest of the cosmos." No worries, the alignment will be (was) corrected by the ICHC or the Council. Many other things will be corrected; floods, droughts, etc etc. Well it's now 2019. Did this happen? Did Nibiru swing into our neighborhood in 2017? Did Tim Wyllie stop a nuclear meltdown with his meditating and crystals?
We can't see their ships because they're in different dimensions. "Oh you earthlings!" C'mon. How convenient, as I've said many times.
p650 - dimensional change coming. We're going to jump from 3.6 to 5. "What about 4?" DC asks. "We're going to jump it." Ok.
"Earth has been damaged and changed beyond the capacity to repair it." This is their mantra. I dispute that (-Edit: see Wuhan & LA during the covid stay-at-home). But supposedly the Shift will destroy everything & things will start anew. Those who don't get on the spaceships will be stuck here.
If LaV is correct this is a natural cycle that happens every 12000 years or so. None of this other stuff would have anything to do with it, under than most of us being wiped out regardless of what kind of shape the planet is in!!!! We could be living in a utopian society and the effect would be the same!
Or the Hindu cycles are what's happening and we're in the final stages of the Kali Yuga. Same difference...
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